tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post115350778852219216..comments2023-10-14T04:22:12.754-07:00Comments on Permanent Revolution: Krishna Ananthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00381406646193846769noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1154414172391881692006-07-31T23:36:00.000-07:002006-07-31T23:36:00.000-07:00Ans.2. I cannot believe this blasphemy (he he!!!) ...Ans.2. I cannot believe this blasphemy (he he!!!) against Marx :-)<BR/><BR/>No, Luther did not – that is why I qualified the argument by saying that this was the more immediate task. But Luther’s movement was the first step, as was Sree Narayana Guru’s. <BR/><BR/>The greatest impediment to social justice in India is based in caste and religion. It operates on the basis of exchanging suffering inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1154358845258091272006-07-31T08:14:00.000-07:002006-07-31T08:14:00.000-07:00Well Cheri, There are two things. 1. Did Luther, i...Well Cheri, <BR/>There are two things. 1. Did Luther, in the final analysis, emencipate man? I think we will agree that the same hold for Sreenarayanaguru too!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>and 2. Do we have to see the merit in something just because Marx said so????? I am raising this, only in the limited context of your reference to Luther... not in a general sense!!!!!!Krishna Ananthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381406646193846769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1154338696931954762006-07-31T02:38:00.000-07:002006-07-31T02:38:00.000-07:00Precisely! I would go one step further and say tha...Precisely! I would go one step further and say that god is a creation of man…<BR/><BR/>One cannot expect that a system that has been put together to disciple the masses into submission to turn into a means of liberation. But, one can always re-read religion, especially movements that seek to use religion as a tool of social change. <BR/><BR/>They may not have succeeded, but they did hold out Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1154282580272666612006-07-30T11:03:00.000-07:002006-07-30T11:03:00.000-07:00Cheri, you have taken the debate to a higher plane...Cheri, you have taken the debate to a higher plane... the only poblem I have is with the paradigm that expects/looks forward or considers it possible to convert religion into a radical platform or a tool for achieving an egalitarian society in the social and the economic sense...<BR/><BR/>Now, do we realise as to why did religion come into existence in the first place??? I think we all agree thatKrishna Ananthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381406646193846769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1154075703443173562006-07-28T01:35:00.000-07:002006-07-28T01:35:00.000-07:00On Kerala, as it increasingly loses the radicalism...On Kerala, as it increasingly loses the radicalism which so defined and made it, I can only quote a verse: shabaab-e-raftah ki ab koi yaadgaar nahi / bahaar mein bhi ab rangiini-e-bahaar nahi. (There are no memories of the past youth / Even in spring, there is not the colour of spring.)<BR/><BR/>That aside, religion in India is not completely separated from the state. The temples in Kerala, for Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1154016138935054422006-07-27T09:02:00.000-07:002006-07-27T09:02:00.000-07:00The campaign for reforms and challenging the unrea...The campaign for reforms and challenging the unreason is not necessarily a social liberal position. It is, instead, based on a very broad definition of human rights and just like discrimination based on caste is to be challenged, discrimination based on gender is to be questioned and defied.<BR/><BR/>I think you will see this argument as valid if you place the caste based discrimination, which Krishna Ananthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381406646193846769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153926446731558272006-07-26T08:07:00.000-07:002006-07-26T08:07:00.000-07:00I understand your point but I'm concerned about ho...I understand your point but I'm concerned about how far this argument can be pushed. Would you want all religious institutions to open its doors to everyone? Should mosques/churches for instance allow people of any religious denomination to visit them? Should mosques/churches/temples allow people of any gender to visit them? for instance, would you discourage even segregation of the sexes which Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153847791657483872006-07-25T10:16:00.000-07:002006-07-25T10:16:00.000-07:00Abdus,I agree with your contention that those who ...Abdus,<BR/>I agree with your contention that those who join a group/association must agree with the terms of their association. But then, you know as much as I do that association into a religion or a sect is not based on the individuals choice and is instead by virtue of his/her birth. In other words, the association is not voluntary and hence the terms of association cannot be binding. THE Krishna Ananthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381406646193846769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153734863359681612006-07-24T02:54:00.000-07:002006-07-24T02:54:00.000-07:00this is a valid point that you have raised...abdus...this is a valid point that you have raised...abdus<BR/>but then i think what we are attempting to challenge is the irrationality upon which such discrimination is based...and as part of an attempt to build a progressive society founded on principles of equality and non discrimination can we allow such associations which base their memebership on irrationality to be allowed without protesting? Vibhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12715530820748630871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153669047664573202006-07-23T08:37:00.000-07:002006-07-23T08:37:00.000-07:00I have always had my doubts on this issue. Lets sa...I have always had my doubts on this issue. Lets say I start a religion/group/association tomorrow. Would it be wrong for me to dictate who should join and who shouldn't join my group? If you don't subscribe to my beliefs I obviously wouldn't have you as part of my group/religion/association. Why should there be a fundamental right for you to join my group? You can have the fundamental right to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com